Birchard and Agee Marine Service Inc, in Seattle, Washington, USA
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This editorial web page contains our opinions of: Birchard and Agee Marine Service Inc
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UPDATE 12-20-2010:
We never did sue these sons of bitches. Time gets short. Victims want to forget. We've tried HARD to forget our experiences with Birchard & Agee Marine, but they seem determined to remind us and to inflame our anger. After nearly two years of trying to forget our losses at the hands of this miserable company, we are suddenly contacted by their "attorney" as follows:
Bill De Voe
I’ve received a message in a very roundabout way that you have tried to contact me through a [restaurant] in Seattle.
What’s up?
Thank you for following up. I would like to talk with you about Birchard & Agee Marine. Please give me a call or let me know how I can call you.
Bill
William D. DeVoe
Holmes Weddle Barcott
Wells Fargo Center, Suite 2600
999 3rd Ave.
Seattle Washington, 98104-4011
(206)-292-8008
(206)-340-0289
wdevoe@hwb-law.com
De Voe
If this is regarding the website review of my experiences with them, then no, and I’ll direct you to cease and desist attempting contact, especially through third parties with whom I am not associated and who have no interest in hearing from you. The website was cleared through our First Amendment attorney. The website is fully documented. We’re more than prepared to defend the content in court. My opinion of that incompetent shop hasn’t changed. The business was notified via registered mail of the website nearly two years ago.
Anything else you’d like to discuss?
Things got off track a while ago because there was no face to face or voice to voice communication. I am offering to do that with the hope of clear communication between the two of us.
Bill
William D. DeVoe
Holmes Weddle Barcott
Wells Fargo Center Suite 2600
999 3rd Ave.
Seattle, WA 98104
(206) 292-8008
(206) 340-0289 Fax
If you are unwilling to communicate with me over the telephone or in person, will you please provide me the name and contact information of the first amendment attorney.
Bill
William D. DeVoe
Holmes Weddle Barcott
Wells Fargo Center Suite 2600
999 3rd Ave.
Seattle, WA 98104
(206) 292-8008
(206) 340-0289 Fax
My original reply to you stands.
That’s enough.
We’re still as angry as we can get with regard to that outfit, and you have enraged us further with unwanted contact.
Cease and desist contacting us.
This webpage is like whale blubber. The more Birchard & Agee Marine wants to chew on it, the bigger it'll get. Try to imagine the sheer gall and insolence of a company that treats folks as they treated us, and then rather than stand up straight on their own cloven hooves and apologize for their reprehensible business practices, they send their attorney after us nearly two years after the fact. We rest our case. Further contact will elicit an instantaneous criminal complaint of harassment, and ALL future developments in this case will be painstakingly detailed below. We're sick to effing death of screw-ups who somehow feel that all they have to do is pull a few sleazy legal stunts to get their screw-ups hidden from public view. It. Won't. Work. Here.
This guy, De Voe, perhaps wanted to try to intimidate us into pulling this page. The best have tried to intimidate us -- we stand by the truth to the death. Hewlett Packard learned that after they'd spent a reported $60,000 trying to intimidate us into shutting down our review of them and their products. Many others have spent lesser amounts.
Or, De Voe might have thought he could offer us what we feel Birchard and Agee owes us in return for dropping this page. While we'd be happy to append a mention of any payment to us to this page, it (the page) cannot be purchased for any price, and for the record, we'll no longer accept the two hundred odd dollar amount as restitution -- we want that amount plus the $1700 for parts, plus our time.
Or, De Voe may think he actually has a case here. We would be MOST heartened if he'd try to file suit. It'll cost him time and money, and it'll cost Birchard and Agee time and money, and the page will stand, albeit inflated in size many times because of the added court documentation, and all of that will please us greatly.
By De Voe's very mention of wanting to contact our 1st Amendment attorney, he has tipped his hand -- his purpose is not to try to set this matter right; his purpose is to try to affect the dissemination of this information. And that's about as sleazy as it gets.
Restitution would be nice, but honestly, this isn't about the money. It's about people who do the right thing, and people who will go to their bloody grave steadfastly refusing to do the right thing, and it's about how these two diametrically opposed trains of thought affect the very fabric of American society, and it's about whether or not this country can even survive when nearly every Goddamned business seems to be out for what it can get with no moral compass whatsoever.
We're constantly amazed at the skullduggery of louts who will never, ever simply stand up for their own actions. An APOLOGY appended to this page (and a check) from this outfit would go a thousand times farther in restoring their public credibility than any il-conceived 1st Amendment court case they are stupid enough to think they can win. But human nature is what it is, and folks will forever scheme to beat or trick the system instead of owning up to their imbecilic mistakes. Most kids back on the farm or ranch learn these simple, basic lessons by about the age of eight. When you screw up, don't hide it. Stand up! Say, "I screwed up, and I'm sorry, and I'm willing to make restitution, and I will try harder next time not to screw up again." That's it! Then, people say, "Thank you! You screwed up. You took it. You are trying to make it right. That shows at least a basic concept of honor and decency. Maybe I'll give you another try sometime. Or maybe I won't. But at least I won't go the rest of my days thinking of you as human sewage."
UPDATE 12-21-2010:
Within 72 hours of sending their junkyard dog after us, Birchard and Agee is back spamming the "Boats for Sale" section of Craigslist with ads for SERVICES and STORAGE. To us, this defines the character of that business once and for all:
UPDATE 1-15-2011:
As unbelievable as it seems, there has been yet another development in this otherwise and heretofore simple, basic case. On 1-14-11 we were notified that this attorney, DeVoe, had actually gone sniffing around and contacted YET ANOTHER personal acquaintance of ours who is not now, nor has ever been, involved in this case in any way. At this point, we see DeVoe's behavior as unwanted and obnoxious, bordering on the legal definition of harassment and stalking. We sick of it. Now we;re angry. We're looking for reasons to take formal action against the guy. Enough is enough. Birchard and Agee is apparently approving these scurrilous moves, and by that approval one could draw the conclusion that this is the kind of stupid, counter-productive tactic they prefer -- hence, the reason we're at odds with them in the first place! They appear to be incapable of acting appropriately in any context at all.
As it happens, the person DeVoe contacted this time, is an old friend of ours, and an attorney we used years ago on many First Amendment issues, Elena Garella. Why did DeVoe contact her? We've no clue, except that we've seen sleazy attorneys pull this stunt in the past and it has always been undertaken as a form of harassment, in hopes of costing the victim a few bucks in attorney's fees to get it stopped.
But there's a twist in this particular case: Elena informs us that she believes DeVoe 'is not an evil human being' (not a direct quote but that's the gist of her sentiment). If true, that would be nearly a first in our experience. Elena tells us that she believes DeVoe is simply doing the best he can for his client -- which is, what? To cause us grief and cost us money and to try to intimidate us into.....what? --Removing our legally posted editorial review disseminating our experiences with Birchard and Agee and our opinions of those experiences?
Elena suggests we go ahead and talk to Devoe. We're thinking about it. To do so would be, for us, akin to kneeling down in the mud and trying to hold a conversation with a slug. Yes, Elena suggests he's not evil, and Elena's opinion carries great weight with us. But by God this is asking a lot. Here's a guy who seems to be working overtime to attempt to strip us of our Constitutional right to free speech, even running around contacting our PERSONAL FRIENDS, and we're supposed to make nice with him? To Hell with that.
What could De Voe possibly want to talk about?
Here are some possibilities:
He wants to ask us nicely to take down this page, saying that the company now feels "real bad" about how we were treated and has vowed to never screw another customer. Well, who cares? The damage is done. Maybe they WOULD never screw another customer, but they sure as hell screwed US, and that's now part of their permanent Karmic record! You can maybe atone for it, but you can never erase it! We lost a small fortune due to their stupidity. Our sense of humanity in general suffered GREAT damage when they wouldn't grant us the simple human dignity of a simple reply. But a long time has passed now. We've choked down our losses, both financial and social and we've moved on. We frankly don't want to think about these pieces of human feces ever again. DeVoe has ALREADY done us a huge disservice by even mentioning them to us in passing. We don't believe this company has learned a single Goddamned thing from this experience. They ignored us for a year and a half. Why do they want to talk at this late date? We suggest that it's not to massage our bruised sensibilities because it's the RIGHT thing to do -- they want only to try to get the truth about them un-disseminated because it's embarrassing and perhaps it's costing them revenue. Too bad! They cost US revenue! And they didn't give a damned shit about it for a year and a half! Why on God's Green Earth should WE care in return?! It's just tough cookies! Too bad! We. Don't. Care!That's our view on this. If Birchard and Agee didn't want people to talk about their actions, they shouldn't have partaken of those questionable actions. It's simple cause and effect. We're sorry they never learned that. Most three year olds have figured it out.
Maybe Devoe wants to try to scare us into removing this content by threatening us with a lawsuit. He would know beyond all doubt that he could not possibly win it, but he could cost us ten grand to beat him. Maybe that's all he wants -- to cost us ten grand. Maybe this is about nothing more than revenge by this scurrilous bag of fucking rats at Birchard and Agee. We're ready to go to court. We WILL go to court. We WILL beat these miserable apes and the court proceedings documents will inflate the size of this website by 8000%. We've seen it before. Court proceedings for the SIMPLEST of conflicts generate thousands and thousands of pages of legal nonsense (that's how attorneys make money). All will be posted here, duly converted to searchable text. That ploy by DeVoe accomplishes nothing but to make the page appear that much larger on the radar of the national consciousness. In fact, it will go from being a single page, to being an entire website unto its own.
Or maybe DeVoe's thinking he can find a crooked judge to rule against us in Seattle? Surely a judge like that shouldn't be too hard to find. We've seen some doozies -- Seattle is famous for it. But there are always appeals, and there is the fact that we will defend our right to say truthful things and to voice our opinions based on facts with our dying breaths. We don't mean that figuratively; we mean it literally. Our right to free speech is truly the only real right we have left in this country. Without it life is not worth living. Period. So what would DeVoe and Birchard/Agee have to gain by suing us? The worst they can do is cost us ten grand -- and themselves ten grand (or more likely thirty), which is, we're sure, just fine with William De Voe. The page will survive it. THEIR costs would be unimaginably higher if by some crooked fluke they won. Neither DeVoe nor Birchard/Agee can benefit here. Oops! We're wrong! DE VOE can benefit! Win or lose, he still gets paid! And that is the very backbone of today's American legal system. It is predicated on amorality and sleaze. Law school teaches it. Law school teaches that if it is even remotely, technically legal, it must automatically be therefore moral. Nothing could be further from the truth, but lawyers who don't really subscribe to any recognizable doctrine of morality greedily glom on to that philosophy and run merrily through their careers sleeping just fine. --Makes you hope even more fervently for a "judgement day". Most attorneys these days DON'T KNOW if they can ACTUALLY win a case, and they DON'T CARE! Why should they? Either way, they still get paid!
Perhaps DeVoe wants to offer us some money to remove this page. If he is actually so stupid as to believe he can buy our morality, he can go fuck himself with a cactus. Sorry for the visual, but strongly-stupid actions require strongly offensive descriptions. Our deep sense of right and wrong has never been for sale. It is not for sale now. And it would not be in this man's best interests to insult us by insinuating he thinks our morality MIGHT be for sale. Few things would enrage....incite....and motivate us more than such an insult. Want to see us wearing sandwich boards at the entrance to Birchard and Agee's driveway adjacent to the Chittenden Locks? Insult us one more Goddamned time.
So what does DeVoe want? In our opinion, he wants to feed his client a song and dance about how he's "pretty sure" he can get this page removed by some trickery and deceit in the courts, and thereby keep the cash moving towards himself for his ongoing efforts. We don't believe he knows a damned thing about First Amendment law (he's a maritime attorney). We believe he will probably tell his clients just about anything to keep the cash flowing from them to him. And besides, even if he did get "this" page removed, it would only reappear at the hands of others who are so disgusted by the chicanery of this company that they would take it upon themselves to post their OWN websites in other countries using this same material. Believe it or not, some people really are offended by skullduggery and will act against it. Not every preppy yuppy in America has lost their spine -- only most.
So what to do? Take Elena's advice and talk to DeVoe? Or ignore his nonsense and just wait for the suit? We would never, ever talk to him in person, or by any means involving voice communication. Lawyers are slippery. Lawyers LIE. Maybe DeVoe doesn't, but how do we know? We like things IN WRITING. We don't want to be put to the trouble and expense of a transcription. We don't like misunderstandings and "he-said, she-said" BS after the fact. Does DeVoe have a proposal not mentioned above? Something we haven't thought of? Then he should submit it straight-up. He has our e-mail address. We'll grant him ONE more contact before we call the police. We suggest he make his pitch a good one. What we REALLY want here is to never think about this miserable Goddamned company again. No amount of money would convince us that this outfit has grown one single morality cell in their tiny reptilian brains. We would suggest that if DeVoe TRULY wants his client to benefit in some way, he find some way to convince us his client is worth even a molecule of worm spit and that they have TRULY changed their ways. We don't believe he can do that. We don't believe he WANTS to do that. But because of our immense respect for Elena Garella's opinion of DeVoe, we'll grant him one last chance. DeVoe's reply, if any, will be appended below.
UPDATE 1-25-2011:
We received NO RESPONSE from William De Voe to the above offer.
However, during a dinner with Elena Garella it was suggested that we offer De Voe one last (last) opportunity to respond and resolve this case. On 1-25-2011 we did make that offer, politely and professionally, in writing, and we promised conditional confidentiality of that offer and for any response. Our offer to communicate expires close of business on January 28, 2011. We do not expect a productive response from William De Voe.
UPDATE 1-28-2011, 1812hrs Pacific:
Again we've received no response whatsoever to our second and final offer (above) to communicate and/or negotiate with William De Voe re the Birchard and Agee case and that offer is now herewith withdrawn. In our view, this second refusal to negotiate the matter proves beyond all doubt that neither B&A nor De Voe had any intention of trying to resolve this case at any time. They've been given two opportunities, in writing, to either accomplish a resolution, or at least attempt one; they have blown off each offer. Clearly, at this late date, their only interest in sending an attorney after us a year and a half after the fact was to cause us grief, and hopefully money, as punishment for lawfully disseminating our experiences with them. This is exactly as we had surmised in the beginning, and it's why we were loathe to even enter into a dialogue with William De Voe. We've watched many, many companies attempt this very same sleazy tactic, using some amoral and/or gullible "attorney" as a hired gun. This outfit seems to have held true to form. In conclusion, we offer this: Once a skunk, always a skunk. These folks can no longer claim in any legal setting that we refused to negotiate. Further unwanted contact by either of these entities, B&A, or De Voe, whether directly, indirectly, by telephone, email, letter, smoke signal, telepathy, carrier pigeon, including the pestering of our friends, employees, employers, or acquaintences, whether directly, indirectly, by telephone, email, letter, smoke signal, telepathy, carrier pigeon,will earn B&A and/or De Voe a formal antiharassment complaint in Seattle and a letter to the Washington BAR (which will accomplish less than nothing, but at least it will be on record).
Elena had suggested that it is sometimes possible for a company to learn from its mistakes, and that sometimes a company should be given some slack when it does. She cited an almost identical problem she had with an antique camera shop near the University District that so offended her, she wound up in front of that business with a huge banner describing the problem. We took her tale to heart, and allowed that perhaps, just perhaps, though we doubted it, Birchard and Agee "could" be capable of learning. Unfortunately, we've now abandon that hope.
Good effing grief.
FINAL UPDATE 3-23-2011:
Birchard & Agee has made an offer through our attorney of $2000 in exchange for our removal of this page. Unfortunately, that amount does not even fully cover our actual cash expenses due to their faulty work, nor does it begin to address our labor, loss of revenue, attorney's costs, loss of value and wasted time. The offer was declined and our attorney was instructed not to accept any further communications from this outfit or its attorney(s). It seems that any interaction with this company is just one knock in the head after another. Enough is enough.
Birchard and Agee Marine Service Inc, in Seattle, Washington, USA