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At this point, could Tinder/Match be criminally charged?
We believe so, yes, although no liberal DA would file it, of course.
Sample of the summary/introductory note that accompanies the formal complaints to numerous agencies, dispersed on July 5, 2023:
This is a complaint against Tinder, Inc., a holding of the Match series of online dating sites. A small team of us (retired law enforcement) have documented a stunningly extensive crypto scam enterprise being carried out using the Tinder site, and others. Of course dating site scammers are plentiful, but one of them caught our attention a year ago, and we began alerting Tinder to it. This one involves hundreds of thousands of profiles posted by the same woman using pictures of herself. Tinder steadfastly refuses to address the painfully obvious documentation and, in fact, has banned accounts of users who flagged her profiles. We believe it can finally be proven that Tinder willfully and actively protects this scammer because she is a cash cow for them. The documentation on this is quite extensive and there's no room for it here. It has been compiled on a website at the following URL. This goes also to Homeland Security, the FBI, the FTC, DOJ, many newspapers and media outlets, and many, many others. Here's the URL: https://www.truth-or-consequences.com/tinder-scammers/index.html
Download a copy of the Tinder app.
Install it on iPhone or Android; it's free.
Create a dummy account (takes 60 seconds).
Be a man looking for a woman in your profile.
Don't pay. For God's sake don't pay.
Set your location to almost any major city in the world (Hong Kong is a good start).
Start swiping.
Within only a few seconds you'll see profiles of the woman shown below.
You'll see them mixed with other profiles.
Or you'll see dozens, or even hundreds, of her profiles in a row.
They'll all be similar to the hundreds of images below.
When she gets flagged off for being a fake account, she and/or her staff merely make new profiles just as quickly.
Tinder looks the other way.
And it's been this way with this particular woman, and countless others, FOR YEARS.
Tinder has been sent these images and has been given this website URL countless times.
Tinder legal has been advised of this countless times.
The problem is easily, readily solvable.
Yet Tinder doesn't WANT to solve it.
Why?
Because without scammers, Tinder can't stay in business.
Period.
There are often far more pictures of this one woman, than all other profiles combined.
Now, YOU tell US, Tinder is doing what it can to stop scammers.
If they say they are, it would be a blatant, bold-faced lie, and probably actionable in civil court by victims of scammers.
If you can sue gun manufacturers, you can sue Tinder.
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Tinder:
The King of All Dating Scam-Sites
No dating site on earth protects its scammers
like Tinder and this web page explains why
Educate newcomers and existing dating site users alike in the often bizarre and mystifying ways of dating site scammers, and the dating websites that coddle and protect those scammers for direct and indirect financial gain.
Online dating scammers are a far and vastly bigger problem than almost anyone realizes.
1. Educating the dating public about how prevalent scammers are now (late 2022) on dating websites like Tinder (in our view, the worst in the world).
2. To demonstrate to the public that Tinder appears to very clearly and explicitly and documentably PROTECT the scammers using its dating site services (and we believe that's true of all the websites in the "Match" ecosystem).
3. To help put scammers in jail.
4. To help victims find ways to bring civil suits against scammers AND sites like Tinder who appear to facilitate and encourage the scammer phenomenon.
5. To help victims find ways to successfully bring criminal charges against against bad dating sites like Tinder who appear to facilitate, coddle, protect, consciously ignore and encourage the dating site scammer phenomenon.
6. To demonstrate to media concerns worldwide just how entrenched scammers have become in the dating industry, and to make them realize that the scammer phenomenon is growing worldwide, not diminishing, and to help media concerns understand that sites like Tinder are at the root of the problem.
7. To help politicians, governments and law enforcement realize how serious the scammer problem is, and how it is increasing, and perhaps reveal to them tools they can use to track and trace scammers that they're not using today.
Bookmark it
https://www.truth-or-consequences.com/tinder-scammers/index.html
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We believe all of the images shown below are of the same woman.
All of the images below, plus perhaps as many as 20,000 more, were posted on Tinder during the month of September, 2022 by a "crypto scammer". What's a crypto scammer? Crypto is a kind of slang for "e-money" (money that doesn't really exist except in the minds of its users and has no thing of value (like gold) to back it up or give it real substance). It's silly money -- except that even some governments are beginning to embrace it, which pretty-well explains the state of the world intelligence as of 2022, but that's for another website.
Lots of people have made big money in crypto-currency. More went broke.
Many, many more WILL go broke.
Unlike "real" money which is backed up by tangible goods (usually gold) and can not lose its value below a certain point, crypto can evaporate literally overnight. And it might.
Some think that maybe it will become the defacto currency of the world. Until---
It's the mission of the crypto-scammer to facilitate that downfall a little sooner than the stupid decisions of its users will allow.
There are a million types and styles of crypto scams and the scammer we're discussing here may use them all. I am only familiar with ONE of her scams.
Why do I refer to her as "she"? Most of the time, Tinder scammers use pictures of other people to hide behind. What about the images shown below, and what about the scammer that is the focus of our discussion today?
I have reason to believe that this scammer is, actually, the woman shown below.
Can I prove it?
Not yet.
But I believe it.
I got involved with Tinder in July of 2022, as I travel the world almost continuously, and I am looking for a one-only travel partner and wife. Tinder seemed worth a try. I was wrong.
Almost instantly it was clear that Tinder is made up MOSTLY of scammers. I am retired Federal law enforcement in the USA and many of my friends are as well. When I began concluding that Tinder was a write-off I encouraged several friends to log in and see what they thought. Within a few days all agreed. Our collective estimate is that, on the male side, meaning males seeking females, the female scammer percentage on Tinder is from 60-85% of all Tinder female users. That means that almost ALL females advertising on Tinder are scammers of one type or another. On the male side, meaning males advertising on Tinder, we feel it's about 40% male scammers trying to bilk ladies.
What does that mean?
It means that the majority of Tinder's clientele are scammers, all trying to often enough scam other scammers. It's hilarious. And sad. It's like watching rattlesnakes fight, except that once in awhile they score a mouse or a cat.
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That seems to be the Tinder business model and we believe they're happy with it. We believe that is planned, consciously orchestrated and managed to stay that way, by Tinder.
Think about it:
If someone had a magic wand and suddenly removed every scammer from Tinder's user base, how many users would be left? Maybe 30%. That low volume is unsustainable for Tinder and they would close up shop virtually overnight. Tinder MUST have scammers or it can't survive. We believe Tinder WANTS all the scammers it can get because it makes money on every single one, in one way or another.
But what about the real, genuine, good-hearted, honest, lonely people out there who want and need to find a mate? The scammers laugh and say they can go fuck themselves, and we now believe that's exactly what Tinder Corporate says to its honest base, as well.
But wouldn't Tinder do better if all the scammers were gone and their user base consisted ONLY of real people looking for real people?
No.
Can we prove this theory?
Not quite yet, but we're getting close.
Assuming we could prove it, what then? Would we file complaints with the Federal Trade Commission (FTC)? They only act when it's politically advantageous to them, and even then, they need virtually millions of complaints before they'd even look at a case and try to determine if there were enough political brownie points to be had by prosecuting. You can forget the FTC. You can file, but you can go piss up a hurricane, too, for all the good it will do you.
FBI?
My unit worked with the FBI long ago and we saw the same mentality. Give the FBI enough of a political reason to go after an entity like Tinder, and look cool doing it, and they might. But even if they do, they might just fuck it up. That's where they, the FBI, excels. We laughed and shook our heads in disgust all too often when working with the FBI, or when trying to get assistance from the FBI on various cases. You can file, and you should, because it at least goes into a database.
What other agencies or movements could bring down Tinder if our allegations of fraud and corruption are true?
Two things:
One, civil lawsuits. If PROOF could be obtained and offered to the masses regarding Tinder, then enough victims might come forward and successfully sue them (class action, anyone?) for being a willing party and conscious organizing participant to fraud. Could that actually work? Yes, and we are doing what we can to help that tactic along with this website and with one very explicit letter to Tinder's legal department (below).
Second: If "news" agencies (are there any left?) and silly talk shows got wind of the hint or possibility of real proof against Tinder, they could create a ground swell of dissatisfaction that could FORCE agencies like the FBI or the FTC to act. The "media" (a laughable term these days, isn't it?) is a real and powerful force, even if it's almost exclusively idiotic. Idiocracy, anyway? Still, it could work.
Perhaps we can be a tiny but persistent force in helping to bring these two ideas to bear on Tinder. It takes time, folks, but heck-- my group is retired and we LOVED bringing down the shits of the world, which is why we went into that business in the first place, and it's our hobby at this late date. Some people play video or phone games; we play Gotcha games.
So back to the images below:
Who the heck is this gal?
We all believe that the person shown in the images is the same person, and that that person is the actual person behind the Tinder scam (at least this one). There are thousands more; we're only focused on this particular one as an example. China is a hotbed of scams and scammers. It seems to be all they have the gumption to do.
We were all contacted (matched) by this entity, whoever she/it/them/them/he is (and if this scammer is NOT the person in these images, can you even imagine the lawsuit from the person in the pics?), and each time we were lead to believe this was a potential girlfriend. But in short order, usually within a day or two, this scammer steered the conversation around to how much money she makes in crypto. As the mark, you are supposed to say,
"Oh! Wow! That's great! I wish 'I' could make money like that! You are so lucky!"
That's what the mark is supposed to say.
And when he does, she will respond with an offer to "help" you, because she really likes you a lot, and she wants you BOTH to be filthy rich investing in crypto currency so that when you are together, you can be rich together, and life will be just so fucking good... (JSFG).
You say something like,
"Yes! Please help me be rich like you!"
And she'll slip you a link to a crypto-app that you just install on your phone, complete the application process, and someone (Guido?) will get back to you pronto. Don't worry, she says, she'll help you through it every step of the way because, after all, she's pretty sure you might be "the one" and she wants you to be rich. Like her.
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So you download and complete the online application, punching in lots and lots of personal data, and then you write to your life's love and tell her you did it, and you ask now what, my love? -- but her profile is already disconnected from yours, and she's already spending the bonus she received for getting you to submit the app, and she's hoping you'll get scammed really, really big 'cause she'll get a cut of that too.
As I said, there are a thousand variations on this, but this is the one she tried on all of us. Of course none of us ever got so far as to even download the app, but we've researched plenty who have, and plenty who lost.
In a month, I, personally, flagged and reported about 1100 of her profiles like the ones below. My group flagged and reported a total of around 2400. All the same girl.
How did we do this so effortlessly? You can, of course, study each profile to see if the profile looks like this girl, and if it does, just hit the report button in Tinder and mark it as a fake profile, and then more specifically choose that the profile is using someone else's picture. Most of the time when we did this, those particular images were never seen again on Tinder. Not always -- but often enough. Remember to mark each and every photo in the profile.
The problem with this scammer is that the person in these images had done some low-level modeling and has tens and tens of thousands of pictures of herself. In a number of them, the copyrights were mistakenly not airbrushed out, so she is traceable to various modeling agencies in a few larger eastern cities. Probably some would help catch a scammer by divulging the name and address she used for the shoots.
To speed the process we installed facial recognition apps on our phones, then we held one phone camera over the screen of the phone that was logged in to Tinder, and we merely swiped and swiped and swiped until our fingers were sore, and the facial recognition app flagged each image that matched the base image we had told it to match. Accuracy was about 95%.
As time went on, she began trying to dodge our take-downs and she started trying to use images that were more and more difficult to identify and match. Unfortunately for her, we identified six other markers we could use to ignore her images completely, and still get a match. We won't tell you what they are, but we'll tell the FBI if they ever get off their asses (they won't). We did send a printed version of this page to Interpol (they don't do "law enforcement", they're just an International database, accessible to law enforcement worldwide) and to the Hong Kong police. Lotsa luck on that.
Remember that Tinder could easily stop this, if they had the slightest desire to do so.
Tinder in Hong Kong is all but unusable now as this one scammer has so clogged that location that even swiping left as fast as you can will take you many minutes to get past her fake profiles and bio's. On one occasion when we logged into the Hong Kong location in Tinder, the first 144 profiles were hers. And we found her profiles polluting the site all around the world, often in batches of 10 or 40 in a string. It was flag and flag and flag and flag and flag. I keep a folder with about 600 of her images, and the other guys have saved some hundreds each. She creates these profiles as fast as her thieving little fingers will go, and often times we were right behind her, deleting them within seconds after they appeared on Tinder. We could delete them much faster than she could create them.
So if we can do that, why can't Tinder?
Ah.....that is the meat of the matter.
More appropriately we might ask, why DOESN'T Tinder?
But we've already exposed our beliefs about that.
This broad is much older and fatter now and is quite unattractive, which we find entertaining. It probably makes her mad. She can't get laid anymore so she feels justified in stealing from men. She uses burner phones and prepaid wifi and plenty of VPNs. In the US, you can crack right through a VPN. They keep logs no matter what they promise you about anonymity. It's just that it takes a subpoena to get the logs and that can take a couple of days. Trust me, in the US they will ALL give in. But not in many other countries because, like China, they protect those who grease them.
I keep saying this again and again: This is a dog-simple problem to solve if only Tinder wanted to. It does not. It doesn't care.
To those who got taken in any significant way by this old witch, and you REALLY want to find her, she has traveled extensively but we believe her home base is in Hong Kong, which is the home to a huge proportion of the world's nastiest scammers. We have identified a few of the profiles of her friends that she regularly converses with in "the club" (it's organized crime, folks), and we do have a few phone numbers for them, which are almost certainly burners. We do have one HK number which may well be real, and we have another in the US which may be real and we're willing to share those with anyone who is after her in any serious way.
You can comb her pictures to see favorite haunts around HK, some of which are used again and again over periods of years, so they are places she may not get far from. You could order in, say, 50,000 fliers and post them all around those areas of Hong Kong offering meaty rewards for her current whereabouts, or, perhaps even more productive, offer rewards to people who knew her in those areas as a child. Get a real name, family background, etc., then go to town researching. With any pivotal piece of data like that you WILL finally find the target if you keep at it. Maybe you lost a few hundred thousand dollars or maybe, like us, you Just. Don't. Like. Thieves. And you enjoy the chase.
I fear that one or more of her victims would never be satisfied with her sued to oblivion or in prison for life, and would, instead, opt to turn vigilante and maybe dismember her on YouTube or some crazy thing. Just remember though, when she's dead, her problems are over. Better to keep her alive and suffering, penniless and embarrassed, if she's even capable of being embarrassed. It could be that she was born missing a certain piece of her pre-frontal cortex and, like any other reptile, has absolutely no sense of remorse, or of community. I think that's likely.
Maybe she hates men. Maybe she was used and abused by some idiot who thought he was a photographer and over the years she got fatter and uglier and got discarded when he finally saw her trashy mind, and that has ticked her off. Her photos all have a certain look and none are high quality. She strikes the same poses way too often and she makes countless mistakes in carrying herself, and they're all the same. That's one of our six secret indicators.
During September 2022 this scammer matched with me repeatedly, and left nasty messages, demanding that she have my real phone number. Really, scammer? But we did converse through messaging a few times and she did admit to me what she was doing, and boasted that she made $4000 per day in this sleazy endeavor. I almost wanted to ask what's Tinder's cut. It seemed as though she was tired of me flagging her profiles, and was losing serious money due to that, and was exploring to find out if I might be interested in going "in" with her on her scams. I should have lead her on in order to get a few scraps of data about her, but honestly, if you liked the old Monty Python movie "Time Bandits", and you remember "concentrated evil", that's how I felt about this scammer and my thought was only to get away from her quickly before some of her stink got on me.
Besides, even if I had ALL her data, nothing will ever be done about her. I know Hong Kong very well and the Chinese authorities are probably taking their cuts from her (it's part of the ancient "working smart" philosophy of the idiot Chinese; to outright steal is merely an example of "working smart". That's how far they have evolved.
You can't sue her in any country but the US and a few others, and you can't imprison her, not in her own country. She "claims" to be in the US for the last 6 years, and if so, then there's hope. But I doubt that's true. Even so, we'll check it out.
Do we believe that Tinder is nothing more than a straight-up criminal enterprise? Yes, we do. All of us. It's unanimous. It seems to be very clear. A legitimate company wants the best for its customers. A legitimate company works hard and diligently toward making their product as safe as possible for its customers. Tinder gives it lip service, but even when incredibly blatant criminal activity is brought to their attention and placed before them on a silver platter, Tinder kills the messenger. This is what a mafia does.
During September I did receive two communications from people, probably females (I've saved their pics and bios), who seemed to know her. One warned me off or "something" might happen. Wish I had a peso for each time a crook told me that. The other offered me details to find the scammer and sue her. It wasn't worth it to follow up on. Sue her for what? I wasn't a victim.
If you take out this one scammer, you're accomplishing no more than removing one drop of water from the ocean, or one grub worm from the swamp. You need to dry up the swamp. The world IS the domain of scammers now. It does no good to jail one. What DOES have great value, however, is to get rid of their hunting grounds: Tinder.
We KNOW Tinder is fully aware of this particular scammer and probably most or all in her posse. We know this because we have all contacted Tinder about this and have sent images and profiles to Tinder corporate and also to Tinder legal. But NOTHING has been done over months to curb the creation of these profiles. That, in and of itself, pretty-well tells the story. If WE can nearly stop her, then Tinder sure as HELL can stop her. But first it must WANT to stop her, and clearly it does not.
But it goes much deeper and gets much worse than just that. We now know that if anyone interferes too effectively in this crime ring, Tinder will take stunningly brazen steps to stop the people who are trying to help them clean up their site and to help save the life-fortunes of all of her victims. And just what will Tinder do to make sure this criminal ring continues on unmolested? Scroll way, way down to the bottom of this page to view Tinder's last message to me, right after I appealed the second time to their legal department. That one thing tells you where Tinder's priorities lie, and it seems pretty damned conclusive.
I'm on my way to Hong Kong (not for this case), and am too busy to pursue this for the time being. A few of the others in this group continue to flag and remove her profiles in their spare time, but while you can fight the scammers and often win, you can't fight the organization that protects them: Tinder.
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Will Tinder ever get taken down? No. Not unless they begin receiving real attention.
The letter below, sent by registered mail to Tinder's legal department, serves no purpose whatsoever except one: It DOCUMENTS that Tinder has now been made formally aware of this scammer's activities, and they have a few of her pictures. Will they now finally stop her? No. They want her business. But now that it is DOCUMENTED that Tinder has been advised of this, it opens the doors for civil lawsuits by victims of this and other scammers. They can then go after Tinder and provide PROOF in court that Tinder was made painfully aware of this yet STILL CHOSE to allow this scammer and others to continue fleecing Tinder's innocent clientele.
We'll post Tinder's signature on the return receipt, once it comes back. Please, use it in civil court as you wish.
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TO:
Tinder (Match Group)
8833 Sunset Boulevard
West Hollywood, California, USA
90069
Tinder Contacts:
Facsimile 214-853-4309
partners@gotinder.com
press@gotinder.com
adsales@gotinder.com
TinderStories@gotinder.com
support@gotinder.com (failed)
Tinder Legal Department: legaldept@gotinder.com
Complaints: Sean Rad (CEO) on sean@tinder.com (failed)
All above contact points have received this letter via email or fax as of September 27, 2022.
Clearly you (Tinder) knows that scammers posing as potential mates have permeated your entire business model and are scamming your customers to the tune of millions of dollars per year. But this letter will bring to your attention the very earnest work of one particular crypto scammer who is more prolific than probably all others combined. The description of the problem is too lengthy to include in a single letter so we are directing you to a website at the following URL which provides some measure of detail and many screen grabs showing this particular criminal.
https://www.truth-or-consequences.com/tinder-scammers/index.html
We believe, and we feel we may be able to prove, that Tinder has been aware of this scammer for years, and that her utilization of your site (Tinder.com) has been known to you for years, and that Tinder has willfully chosen to ignore this activity because, even though it's stunningly criminal in nature, you still profit from it. We believe that's who Tinder is at its core. We believe you are criminals, engaged in assisting criminals to demonize and steal from your legitimate customers.
There is, of course, one way to prove this in such a manner that it would stand up in civil, criminal or both court systems in cases against Tinder, and that is to document that you have been made aware of the specific problem (i.e. this registered letter) and that you have been given proven tools and methods to stop this activity, and that if you refuse to do so (and we are confident you will refuse), you can and will be held liable for a wide variety of damages resulting from your steadfast decision to not take appropriate or meaningful or productive measures to stop the blatant, wanton use of Tinder.com for criminal activities.
We do NOT believe you will take measures to stop this activity, and we will then begin assisting victims in gaining satisfaction from you through the courts.
We'll check Tinder again in 2-4 weeks to see what progress it has made.
Our guess is.....wait for it.....NONE.
September 27, 2022
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CC: FBI, FTC, DOJ (Dept of Justice), Apple, Hong Kong PD, US Attorney General, Hollywood PD, California Attorney General
CC: Talk shows, news outlets and documentary producers around the world
BCC:
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If it's true that up to 80% of Tinder's users are nothing but scammers, and we believe that to be true, then what about the other 20% Surely you can find a nice lady in that mix, right?
Sure.
About 3/4 of those available are going to be hideously unattractive, physically. Ah-- but it's the character that counts, right? Yes, it is. And the physical attraction. If you only want friends, go to a friends site (where you'll find just as many scammers). But if you like to sleep in the same bed as you mate, well, if you find them terrifyingly ugly, physically, it's probably going to be difficult to get around to that.
So X off 75% of the remaining 20% right off your list on Tinder.
That leaves 25% of that 20%.
And fully 1/2 of THOSE are going to be stark raving mad. I had one semi-attractive lady match with me and say hey, how are you? I replied and said I was fine, thanks, and since I didn't want to waste either of our time on a conversation with someone in a part of the world I never go to, I asked, "Can you tell me what country you're in, please?"
The retort was short and sweet:
"How dare you ask me a question like that! I don't even know you! Do you ask all the ladies that type of question?"
I said yes, in fact, I did, and if you're offended by that, be prepared to be offended by probably every single guy you will ever match with." BLOCK.
You'll get a million variations of that crap and it wears pretty thin, pretty quickly. Is that Tinder's fault? No, it's society's fault.
So that leaves what percentage of what percentage remaining?
I lost track. I think there are eleven ladies left that haven't yet been X'd off the list of the sane.
The widely reported stats claim that of, say, roughly, 150 online encounters with seemingly acceptable people, only on average about TWO result in a face to face meeting.
Of those two, ONE of you is guaranteed not to like the other, probably because that other was posting pictures of themselves from ten years ago.
That leaves one.
And after she guzzles her fifth martini and starts a fight with the waitress, you slip out the back, Jack, and set yourself free.
And to think....you PAID Tinder for this wonderful, exasperating, time-wasting experience.
Just say No to Tinder and you'll be miles and miles and light years ahead.
So what happened after I so dutifully helped Tinder cull thousands of bogus, scamming, criminal profiles?
Scroll down to the very bottom, after briefly perusing the images, most of which you've already seen if you've been on Tinder for more than 15 seconds.
Would you like to talk to the scammer behind those pics yourself? Go for it! Just match with ANY of her images and if you look older and proper and possibly prosperous, she WILL match with you, and then you two can have a nice chat. Would you like to make her aware of this website? Feel free! Here's the long-version URL. Just copy it to your clipboard, and paste it into a message to this scam artists. Tell her,
"Hey baby, your pictures on this website are SO HOT. And I don't even care if you'd twenty years older now and FAT AS A HOUSE from all the fine eating those stolen bank accounts afforded you. I really wish you would help me get started in crypto because I want to be rich like you and I'm pretty danged sure YOU'RE THE ONE FOR ME. Here ya go, scammer. Here's the link to your very own website!":
https://www.truth-or-consequences.com/tinder-scammers/index.html
We believe all images below depict the same female.
We believe the images below are actual images of the scammer him/her self.
We believe she can be found, if you've been scammed by him/her.
If these images are of YOU, and you aren't the scammer mentioned herein, please take action against Tinder immediately, because Tinder has been advised of this problem repeatedly, over months, again and again and again, and we've documented it, and Tinder has so far REFUSED to take the simple steps that WE took to remove thousands of these profiles, so please allow Tinder to explain in court exactly why this scammer still dominates the Tinder brand WITH YOUR IMAGES! We think judges around the world will listen, this time.
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Below is Tinder's response to our flagging the profiles of the Tinder user who posted the images above. How does Tinder reward those users who are trying to help it be a better and safer dating environment? This is how Tinder rewards those who work to protect their fellow users. Is there even one scintilla of a chance that this ban resulted from some misdeed by me while using Tinder's "service" (or any other service, for that matter)? No. There is zero chance that I violated any term or terms at all. Less than no chance. None. I committed no sin whatsoever. This ban is put in place explicitly to stop me from flagging this scammer's profiles. There is NO other reason or explanation. The others in this group have not yet been banned, possibly because no single one of them flagged nearly as many of these profiles as I did. (UPDATE: a few weeks after my ban, another of our group was banned. This is a retired Federal law enforcement agent who had established the Tinder account only to take a look at this case and collect images. His profile featured real and accurate data and photos of himself and a real email and phone number. He did not send a single message to ANYONE on Tinder and he didn't respond to a single like or match. He simply collected data and flagged this fake account. He was banned, and we consider that to be further proof that Tinder will punish any user who tries to warn it of scammers using its system. This is diabolical). This is, in black and white, how Tinder rolls:
UPDATE June 24, 2023:
We've been busy and have been traveling for about a year and just now had time to get the gang on the same page to go back and see if Tinder took any action at all to stop this scammer.
The answer is no.
Zero.
Nada.
Not one thing.
We logged into Tinder and searched only one small SE Asian country and found literally thousands of her fake profiles, just as before. In many cases she is using even the same photos as appear on this page, with different names in each profile. Thousands.
This is good to know.
It indicates that Tinder is actively, consciously, willfully and illegally protecting its scammers. This is what we set out to prove in the beginning, and it appears we have succeeded.
We will now go forward with a new round of complaints to all the agencies above, with special emphasis on the Dept. of Justice, the California Attorney General, and the FTC.
Clearly, now, at this point, we have established that Tinder will take NO meaningful measures to stop scammers who are ruining the lives of tens of thousands of people every single day. Again, we reiterate, if you have been scammed by a Tinder scammer, you may now finally have real legal recourse by using this website.
We believe Tinder is consciously complicit in this activity, and that it willfully manages scammer profiles in ways that will benefit its own financial bottom line. We believe this is absolutely provable given the resources of the above agencies. If you've been scammed, file and get subpoena authority, then grab all the discovery you can get as quickly as you can. Tinder will have hidden it as well as any top secret government documentation. There are probably enough victims at this point to qualify as a class action.
We consider Tinder to be the most dishonest criminal enterprise in the dating game today, though there are numerous close seconds. Tinder still gets first place. This is flat-out evil.
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Dispersement of the following document began in July, 2023:
ICE, USA Immigrations Offenses
Office of the Principal Legal Advisor
500 12th Street, SW
Mailstop 5900
Washington, DC 20536Office of the Attorney General
300 South Spring Street
Los Angeles, CA 90013-1230
Phone: (213) 269-6000Uniform Crime Reports
Criminal Justice Information Services Division
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
1000 Custer Hollow Road
Clarksburg, West Virginia 26306
Federal Trade Commission
600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20580
Telephone: (202) 326-2222
Fox News Network
1211 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036.
CNN
10 Columbus Circle
New York, NY 10019
The New York Times Company
620 Eighth Avenue
New York, NY 10018
New York Post
1211 Avenue of the Americas
Suite 10 New York NY 10036
Others….
To Whom:
The list above is a partial list of recipients of this document.
All agencies listed and unlisted (many unlisted) will be notified by fax and other electronic means where possible.
No agency needs to rely on this document for any proofs whatsoever; it is enough to simply be aware of the actions of the following business entit(ies) to be in a position to investigate for yourselves and to act appropriately on data YOU uncover:
Tinder owns:
Match.com
Meetic
OkCupid
Hinge
PlentyofFish
OurTime
…and other global dating brands, all sleazy in our educated estimation.
We believe they are all operated similarly to Tinder itself.
This is a formal complaint against Tinder as follows:
Tinder
8833 West Sunset Boulevard.
Los Angeles, CA 90069
United States of America
www.tinder.comOver the post year, we, with the help of retired law enforcement officials, have investigated the problem of scammers on Tinder and all of the above-mentioned sites, with particular interest in so-called “Crypto” scammers.
The tactics vary greatly and are morphing according to needs and successes every minute.
The woman (we believe) operating the scams so effectively on Tinder (see website URL below) and all of its sites uses a technique wherein she makes contact, establishes a bit of a confidence, inquires if the victim would like to make more money because she can certainly show them how, etc. etc.. All they have to do is go download a particular crypto investing app (they change frequently) and install it and she will advise them, as their quasi girlfriend, how to turn rags into riches. By the multitudes they do so and by the multitudes they are taken for fortunes. The woman featured on the website shown below boasted to me that she earns roughly $4,000 USD daily. I believed her. I think she was getting close to trying to “recruit” me into the fold, but I left undercover work several lifetimes ago because I so hated and detested the crooks that I could no longer hide that hatred and was becoming less effective, and I didn’t pursue this woman’s offer due to that.
We are sure others are using her images for the same or similar ends. They are simply effective advertising photos.
None of my group was taken by this woman; the scam was too easy to spot. But her arrogance struck a nerve and we decided to do some digging. The results of that are shown in some minor detail on this page:
https://www.truth-or-consequences.com/tinder-scammers/index.html
We will not be continuing our efforts and the page itself explains why. Be sure to read to the last update, near the end.
Here’s our case to you:
We believe we have proven beyond any doubt that Tinder actively, willfully and aggressively protects this particular scammer, and many, many more. We believe Tinder cannot stay in business without scammers. They would have little to no customer base remaining if all were magically removed.
This conclusion was reached when we pointed out very explicitly to Tinder that we had removed several thousand of her fake profiles (just this one). Two of our accounts were promptly suspended, noting that neither of us could ever reopen a Tinder account again.
This indicated to us that Tinder was “probably” protecting this scammer and many others, but we wanted to be sure. To that end we created the document at the link above and delivered it repeatedly to Tinder Inc., and to Tinder’s legal team. This was directed to Tinder by mail and electronically perhaps 6 times, and 3 times to their legal team, through various channels.
We then sat back to watch. We were curious if Tinder would make any attempts at all to reduce this woman’s abuse. We had intended to go back in and check within about 6 weeks, but life and Ukraine got in the way, and it was a full year before we were able to get together and check. We found thousands upon thousands of her profiles, still active, many using the exact same images shown in the website referenced above.
There we had our answer.
We believe that Tinder is little more than a vast criminal enterprise, using known scammers to fill its profiles, so that, to any customer (male in this case), it seems the site is a place where they can surely meet their dream girls. They must first pay through the nose to Tinder, of course, and then pay through the nose when Tinder’s scammers rob them blind, and of course at the end of that torturous path, there is no girl at all.
We believe we have proven that.
We believe it is now your jobs to prove it in a way that can be used legally and criminally.
Do we believe any of you will even make the attempt?
No.
Not really.
But we are fulfilling our civic duties by trying, and by reporting what we have found.
We can lead the horses (you) to water, but we can’t make them (you) drink.
And this is why American society is in a free-fall of deep decay.
In any case, we’ve done what we can here. Now we’re on to other projects.
Interestingly, this woman must have been lamenting to her friends and cohorts that we were costing her money, and it seems at least some of them weren’t fond of her, and a few contacted us to suggest ways and methods of getting at this woman. Ours was a data gathering mission and we didn’t engage those ideas.
Will we come back to Tinder in another year to see if any progress has been made?
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe some of us who still hope society has a chance will do so.
I will advise that we are personally positive Tinder is fully aware of their legal and criminal culpability regarding this issue, and will have buried records of their crimes very, very deeply. Not to tell any of you your jobs, but we advise secrecy as to actual tactics until you are ready to throw the pitch, then throw the line drive hard and fast and seize records in places you never thought existed. Tinder knows what it’s doing and has likely been preparing for this for a very long time. Their bunkers are hardened and their attorneys are clever and driven, if not particularly moral.
The online dating scams have reached absolutely epidemic proportions and millions are losing parts, or all, or their life’s savings in 2023 and beyond. Many of these operators are small time; we believe this woman operates with only a small staff and we have watched her created as many as 2000 new Tinder profiles per day. We believe this one operates mainly out of Hong Kong but travels extensively, especially to the US. She believes she is utterly untouchable. We believe Hong Kong law enforcement has been aware of her for many years and chooses to ignore the activity. Payoffs at the local level? We know HK PD was aware of her at least last year because we advised them. China will laugh hysterically at anything that harms the West, and protect and harbor those concerns.
We do believe the pictures are hers, taken by boyfriends (probably customers) over many, many years. We believe she is in her 50’s now. We have found numerous of her photos with tiny copyright marks in various countries, but mostly Japan, with dates that would estimate her current age. She worked for a few modeling agencies as well. She probably failed at that and decided scamming and stealing was easier. We believe that when we were hitting her hard with take-downs through Tinder (Tinder will delete fake accounts grudgingly, but only when absolutely forced to do so, and then allows them to repost almost instantly with the same images), this operator thought she could dodge us by increasingly using pictures of herself at various older ages, up to what appeared to be about age 55, and increasingly not showing her face. Many backgrounds in the faceless images were the same as those showing the face. Even at that age she was easy to identify through even rudimentary face recognition. We see now she is using more photos of herself at much younger ages, probably early teens. The color casts and resolution in the images reveal that.
To reiterate, we strongly believe, and we believe it can be proven, that if Tinder was forced to cull even 80% of its scammer profiles, it couldn’t stay in business. We believe that the incidence of scammers on Tinder, both male and female, is between 75 and 90%. We believe Tinder knows this, and simply Does. Not. Care. As long as Tinder is making money, it couldn’t care less who gets hurt. Sure, Tinder makes a lot of public noise about protecting its customers from scammers, but it takes few, if any, real or meaningful or effective steps to actually accomplish that. It’s all lip service, strictly for show (like any politician). We believe Tinder would aggressively resist any efforts to make it become socially responsible in that way. It can’t stay in business being socially responsible. It would go broke.
We have almost no faith in the US government to even TRY to protect its people anymore. And the USA no longer can boast a curious media. We would be heartened, slightly, to see the recipients of this document TRY. But we sin’t holding’ our collective breaths.With the exception of pedophiles and child murderers, it's difficult to imagine a woman more evil than this.
That a giant business, Tinder and its associated branches, seem to documentably allow, and actually protect this activity, is incomprehensible to any even remotely moral human being on this planet.
That you (numerous government and law enforcement agencies) have been made aware of this situation repeatedly over the past YEAR, and have chosen to do nothing to protect your citizens, is abominable. That puts you in the same category as this thieving skank.
You may refer to us as “The-Pissed-Off”.
None of us are hard to find.
We’ve given you a significant building block from which to begin.
Use it and discover for yourselves.
June, 2023
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Below is a small handful of images this broad is currently using in mid 2023. We believe all are images of her, taken many years ago. She has tens of thousands of profiles on Tinder at this very moment (late June, 2023), and with Tinder's loving help, she will always be there, stealing the retirement funds of poor people as fast as she can. Today she is at least 55 and overweight, puffy, wrinkly eyes, etc. etc.. We believe she spends most of her time in HK. We believe she has one child or more, but that's as yet unconfirmed (if true, we'd like to have a chat with the child or children. They'll run across this sooner or later in their lives). Her looks long ago abandon ship. She has experimentally tried to use pictures of herself at ever increasing ages, but they didn't "produce" nearly as effectively as the younger shots and she has apparently given that up. We also believe she stopped using the older photos because she was becoming concerned that people would be able to recognize her in grocery stores and out for walks, and we do believe that if her whereabouts were known, one or more of her thousands upon thousands of victims (tens of thousands) would simply take her life, probably in a long-protracted manner.
Please do NOT think this is the only scammer haunting the likes of Tinder and every dating site. She's one of millions. She just happens to be one of the more prolific specimens, and why not if Tinder looks the other way?
It used to be that when a Tinder user spotted a known criminal, crypto scammer or whatever, they could simply flag that profile as being fake, and Tinder would then, sometimes, reluctantly, message that profile and ask them to verify their photos. Of course this woman cannot, because she looks grandmotherly now, so she would have no choice but to abandon that particular profile. Many times we removed as many as 1000 profiles in a single evening -- maybe even 2000 -- in this manner. But she would stay up all night rebuilding new ones until her little rat fingers must have been bleeding from all the typing.
We could watch each new profile pop up within seconds of her creating them, and we'd flag them off, again and again and again. We'd bring in pizza and watch TV and leave one screen running so that everyone in the room could see it, and every time she launched a new one, which was often every 20 seconds or so, we'd flag it and laugh. It was good entertainment. But now it appears Tinder has stopped this feature, probably because it was far too effective at removing scammers, and it appears, now, you must actually match with a profile before you can report. it. Nice going Tinder -- protect them as long as you can, because without them, you're out of business.
UPDATE, July 2, 2023:
A few things:
We really want to be done with this case. Since none of us got scammed (and it's hard to imagine how anyone could fall for her clumsy setups), we're not viscerally motivated to find her, as many, many are. Some victims seem to be on a death march to find this woman and....what? Kill her? Yes, we think so. We believe that is precisely the motivation of countless victims. They've sworn a blood-oath to carry that out. In any case, we had a little fun and exposed her along with many others, but we're done -- at least with this final update, we hope we're done.
The problem is, her hairy ass just keeps presenting itself, crammed into our faces, reeking of Hong Kong vaginal pus and diarrhea. After all, that's what's at the center of her soul. We've tracked her as of 2022 to a building in HK. Here's a bit more to help you victims:
Her email (but she has countless accounts and they change like leaves in the wind):
ceo@mt5ffc.com
fke565mt5@gmail.com
Phone numbers: Far too many to list.
She is becoming more focused in her plan, which as of 2022 was to drag businesses into investment trading on the Meta Trade 5 platform, using Binance as crypto currency exchange.
In 2022 she was using a bitcoin wallet address, but, again, she uses countless accounts: TRC20:TKojKqQ2p4HJS7
JKHbL17JzREoC2kX72jDWe know that she was recently using one of the top floors of a skyscraper in 18 Hanoi Rd, Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong.
We've said this before but we'll say it again to the victims:
THIS WOMAN IS NOT A GHOST! She is not THAT hard to find! For God's sake, people! How much did you lose? $50,000? Much more? Okay then, you should be motivated at that level of loss, to invest that much to recover it.
How can you do that?
We believe American law enforcement is slowly warming up to this particular case. She could quite easily be tracked to a physical address in HK by a Federal enforcement agency. I used to work for one for whom this would be child's play. You just have to convince them to actually do it. VPNs can be cut through like butter given the resources AND THE WILL. But that takes a law enforcement agency to do so. Privately generated subpoenas won't do it.
If you can't get a law enforcement agency on your side, there's another way, and it is this:
We have thousands of images of her in our files. We've posted just a smattering of them here. You can go to any dating site and log into any major city in the world and find those same images and many more. In many (maybe all) dating sites you can find her profiles in large batches, sometimes 40-70 IN A ROW (IN A ROW!), all using very similar photos. As we said, she ain't the brightest bulb in the Christmas Tree light string (though she KNOWS she's the smartest human on earth). Collect them. Study them. She leaves mountains of clues because, in the end, to belabor the point, this ain't the brightest bulb in the string. You can locate her through her images. You can see which neighborhoods she does, or did, frequent. She grew up somewhere -- maybe in Hong Kong. Honestly, she's so fucking stupid that we think mainland China is probably the more correct origin of her hatching.
Once you've established her haunts, and especially using the address above, either go in person, or hire someone, to plaster the entire area with posters with her picture and a brief description of a few of her crimes. Then offer a hefty reward. Don't piss around. Offer a reward THAT MOTIVATES PEOPLE TO ACTION. Her grocer knows her; her family knows her (good chance she poisoned all those relationships, probably by scamming them -- she is a pathological scammer, after all). Her doorman knows her. Her building admin knows her. Her prostitution marks know her. Previous boyfriends know her. Modeling agencies in Japan know her. The people in her neighborhood know her. She's a spoiled, arrogant, self-centered bitch -- you can bet the females in her area will help you. She makes enemies absolutely every place she goes. It's only a matter of time before someone on her same floor sees a poster and says, "OH! YEAH! I know her! She lives right there in unit _________". It's only a matter of time before this pops.
The Chinese government won't help you; in fact they'll arrest you. To them, anything that harms the West is good and noble. It's part of their idiotic philosophy of "working smart".
So get in to HK, smother the area in posters, offer a worthwhile reward and remember, the Honk Kongers are quite well off, so make it substantial, like $50,000usd. We guarantee, she is well, well known in her hoods. Someone will want $50,000usd. Did you lose $200,000? Then dedicate $200,000 to the pursuit.
We're starting to see victims pooling together in online forums. Ok, time to get organized. Did ten of you lose $50,000 each? Then dedicate $500,000 to finding her. Honestly, we think she can be found for under ten grand, but that requires groundwork on a personal level. $500,000 could hire that grunt-work out.
Remember, also, that she's a snake, and she'll do her best to set you up and bait you in. She'll pose as someone with information and set up a time and place to meet, and five thugs will take you out. That kind of meeting was EXACTLY my work in Federal law enforcement way back when and THAT was exactly and precisely the kind of thing that made life worth living. THAT was living -- everything else was waiting.
Go into these meetings expecting a trap. Deal with it. If you can't, hire people who can.
THIS WOMAN CAN BE FOUND.
We don't have the will to do it, even though we're 40 minutes from downtown HK. We have too many other things that are more fun, taking up our attention. Please, don't send us any more tips. We want to be done with this case. The exception would be if she tried to target US. Then we're back in the game with all resources, to the death.
Final tip (we hope): We're seeing some discrepancies in her age. We have pictures that facial recognition says are positively her, but she appears to be around 55 in those pictures. However, we also have pictures, verified (as well as facial recognition can verify) that show her using recently manufactured cell phones at ages more like 40. So....which is she? 55 or 40? Is it a mother/daughter tag team? An older sister helping out?
We'll say it again: This woman CAN be found. Federal law enforcement could locate her physically in hours IF THEY WANTED TO. Assuming you did get one to actually take the case, they'd turn a few hours actual work into months. But still, they would locate her, and we positively guarantee that.
Then what? Could you sue her? Could you put her in a Chinese jail?
Hardly.
To the worthless Chinese (I can say that with authority; I lived with the miserable pieces of shit for ten years), she would be a hero, protected on every level, like the murderers of children are heroes in Middle Eastern countries. Trust me when I say NOT ONE GOOD THING COMES OUT OF CHINA. Damned good thing I'm not King of the World.
You can't beat her in Chinese courts. Your only recourse for re compensation would be something on a "more personal level".
Could a private detective firm find her? A good one could, yes, but they'd bleed you dry and be slow as molasses. I've even used PI offices staffed by retired FBI Special Agents. They were better than most, but still barely, if at all, effective, and insanely expensive.
In any case, dear victims, you're on your own now. If you're angry ENOUGH, turn that rage into methodical, intelligent action. Find her and ________________. Find her and what? Best figure that part out LONG before you find her, so there are no hiccups.
How sure are we that the woman shown in all these photos is the exact woman doing the scamming?
We estimate that only about 10% of scammers use their own photos. Mostly this industry consists of offices, sometimes entire floors of business high-rises, specifically dedicated to scamming. After all, it works. They use random photos of people they find by any online search, or, they might steal an entire portfolio from a modeling agency or professional photographer's portfolio. They especially like to use photos of dead people -- the dead don't complain.
In this particular case we think there's a somewhat better than average chance that this exact woman is the exact scammer. Partly, her arrogance suggests that. She truly does not believe that any law enforcement agency is clever enough to catch her, because, of course, spoiled little brat that she is, she KNOWS she is the cleverest person on earth. And she is incapable of imagining a scenario in which a person or group tracks her down and tortures her for a few weeks before killing her. We'd guess that'
s a far more likely scenario than law enforcement ever nabbing her. In any case, other factors also suggest that this is the person, but this is certainly not guaranteed. We do, however, now have information that the FBI is specifically aware of this exact person. Beyond that, we can't comment right now. I worked with the FBI in the 1970's, but only when our department's cases overlapped with theirs. I was stunningly unimpressed.
Below is a link to a news story showing the arrest of some number of Chinese crypto scammers. Probably, this lone office was popped merely because they got behind on their payments to the police. The old Hong Kong had a bit of honor in its law enforcement. The Chinese Hong Kong (recently stolen by mainland China) has no such code of honor. None. It's CHINESE for God's sake. Get a clue. We honestly don't know if there's even one honorable Chinese citizen in the country. Ten years living among them taught me that in spades. They are the Ferengi. Nice claim to fame, eh China? You folks are genetically incapable of a single honest thought or act and I mean that literally. There's something wrong with your brains on a clinical, genetic level.
Here a cockroach, there a cockroach,
everywhere a filthy little cockroach
--Oops. This group wasn't even popped by the Chinese. The Filipinos had to do it as they were operating in Manila. We THOUGHT it would have been odd that the Chinese cleaned up any snake pit of scamming vipers. Turns out they didn't. Of course. The Chinese spreads its feces around the world for others to clean up for them. We'll bet the Chinese lobbied hard to get this group back in China, where they'd be given a slap on the wrist -- for being caught.
Such fine human beings.
This is why almost all International Chinese scammers stay primarily inside China, where they know they're safe.
Can you even imagine being this woman's husband or boyfriend, or even her children, mother, father, relatives? I bet they learned early to lock their wallets in a safe at night, or this silly spoiled tart would have been pilfering like a rabid raccoon. How many times did she steal her boyfriend's watch in the night and swap it out for a fake? How many times did she steal the lunch money from her siblings, relatives, or her own children? How many times did she draw down her own family's bank accounts and they never, ever figured it out? This is a compulsive thief. She'll never stop, this side of the grave. She can't. It's in her DNA. We bet even the other scammers working with her put their lunch snacks into their own individual safes in the office every day. Human beings don't come much lower than this one.
One of our group was on Tinder on the morning of July 1, 2023. They counted 354 profiles of this same woman, just in ONE CITY. They got tired of trying to swipe through them all. In one particular stretch, there were 71 profiles IN A ROW of this same exact woman. IN A ROW! Now, you tell us Tinder can't stop her. What an absurd opinion.
Think about this: How much revenue does this nasty skank generate for Tinder?
Dumb guys take a look at the site, see her, and don't understand that she is the same woman, over and over and over at different ages in different places in different poses with different clothing and different hair -- but the SAME WOMAN. They see all those pretty girls and think, wow! I'll find the girl of my dreams here for sure! Where's my credit card!? Where's my credit card!? And they sign up as fast as they can and pay an absurd fee for a crappy service with fewer and fewer real females (or males) on it, and very, very quickly they either get scammed or survive a scam attempt, very often by this same woman. It's win-win for Tinder. They are making a fortune off this piece of human shit. We have no doubt Tinder execs absolutely love her. My Kingdom for a polygraph of those louts -- let's call them ACCOMPLISES.
Tinder couldn't give a rat's ass if you get scammed. Sure, they pay the issue lip service, grudgingly, with lots of pretty words about their highest levels of security and fraud prevention. Bullshit. It's a lie. If we can find 354 instances of this woman, just one of us, over morning coffee, just in one city, with 71 of them IN A ROW, then Tinder can too.
Bottom line:
TINDER DOESN'T WANT TO.
We believe that's provable in court, and, once proven, it opens the absolute floodgates to a hundred thousand scam victims from around the world. Want to bankrupt Match (Tinder)? Let's PROVE, in court, they COULD stop or significantly and vastly reduce the scammer incidence on their domains, but CHOOSE not to. That's where the crux of this issue lies. Prove that, and it's open season. It would be like proving the gun manufacturers knowingly designed and sold faulty guns that killed a lot of kids -- prove that and no more gun industry. Prove Tinder's willful, premeditated complicity with their protected scammers over MANY YEARS, and no more online dating industry.
Wouldn't ya just love to get Tinder (Match) into court and begin the thrilling process of Discovery.
My God.
What fun.
We keep saying "Tinder", but in reality it's all dating sites. It just so happens that the Match holdings seem to be the very, very worst offenders because, we are convinced, they intentionally harbor these demon-seeds for profit. Do the math. Follow the money.
One of her countless Facebook pages, but this one valid as of July 2, 2023. Why not send a link to this page to all of her "friends" (i.e., soon to be victims). Send her a note to say howdy (more appropriately, Hidey Ho). Send her a link to this page. And send it to the FBI, Tinder, The DOJ, the FTC, The California Attorney General, and all the newspapers you can find email addresses for
Direct link to this page to copy and paste:
https://www.truth-or-consequences.com/tinder-scammers/index.html
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